Core Directors on NIH grants

Hi everyone,

Some of our full-time Core Directors have staff level positions, meaning
Assistant., Associate., or Full Professor equivalent rank. Our leadership is
trying to determine if such people could have a percent effort on NIH grants
such as R01's. Since our Director's salaries are included in our Core budgets
it would reduce the burden. My questions are:

1. How much effort is acceptable? Even if they limit participation to 5%/grant,
how many grants could they reasonably participate in?
2. What should the investigators get in return? Should the funding be for
intellectual contribution in designing experiments and analyzing data or could
it include the use of equipment and/or consumables?

Any experience or advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Judy Drazba
Cleveland Clinic Lerner Research Institute

Hi Judy,

At VUMC we discourage effort on R01 type grants for core staff (all non faculty
positions). If it does occur, we require a justification that differentiates
and distinguishes the grant funded activities from the services provided by the
core. For the most part, we consider experimental design to be part of a given
core service, so that would not be sufficient justification for grant funding,
as one example.

We do allow core staff to have effort on P30s and on core components of P50s.

Susan

> On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:36 PM, J Drazba <email obscured>> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Some of our full-time Core Directors have staff level positions, meaning
Assistant., Associate., or Full Professor equivalent rank. Our leadership is
trying to determine if such people could have a percent effort on NIH grants
such as R01's. Since our Director's salaries are included in our Core budgets
it would reduce the burden. My questions are:
>
> 1. How much effort is acceptable? Even if they limit participation to
5%/grant, how many grants could they reasonably participate in?
> 2. What should the investigators get in return? Should the funding be for
intellectual contribution in designing experiments and analyzing data or could
it include the use of equipment and/or consumables?
>
> Any experience or advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Judy Drazba
> Cleveland Clinic Lerner Research Institute
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Amendment to my statement below:

Biostats is an exception, but they have to track their time and effort very
carefully and consistently. They usually start off with hourly service, and
then if a project grows, they will shift effort over, and that effort is
documented diligently. If we develop other informatics type cores, I could
imagine they would pursue a similar model.



Andy Chitty
Director | University Shared Resources
<https://www.ohsu.edu/xd/research/research-cores/>
Oregon Health and Science University
Phone: 503.494.5887
<email obscured>



On 10/23/19, 10:26 AM, "Core Administrators Network Forum on behalf of Andrew
Chitty" <email obscured> on behalf of <email obscured>> wrote:

    OSHU is similar to VUMC as outlined by Susan below. We strongly discourage
(pretty much don’t allow) R01 for core staff, although we do allow P30s.

    Andy



    Andy Chitty
    Director | University Shared Resources
<https://www.ohsu.edu/xd/research/research-cores/>
    Oregon Health and Science University
    Phone: 503.494.5887
    <email obscured>



    On 10/23/19, 5:42 AM, "Core Administrators Network Forum on behalf of Meyn,
Susan M" <email obscured> on behalf of <email obscured>> wrote:

        Hi Judy,

        At VUMC we discourage effort on R01 type grants for core staff (all non
faculty positions). If it does occur, we require a justification that
differentiates and distinguishes the grant funded activities from the services
provided by the core. For the most part, we consider experimental design to be
part of a given core service, so that would not be sufficient justification for
grant funding, as one example.

        We do allow core staff to have effort on P30s and on core components of
P50s.

        Susan

        > On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:36 PM, J Drazba <email obscured>> wrote:
        >
        > Hi everyone,
        >
        > Some of our full-time Core Directors have staff level positions,
meaning Assistant., Associate., or Full Professor equivalent rank. Our
leadership is trying to determine if such people could have a percent effort on
NIH grants such as R01's. Since our Director's salaries are included in our
Core budgets it would reduce the burden. My questions are:
        >
        > 1. How much effort is acceptable? Even if they limit participation to
5%/grant, how many grants could they reasonably participate in?
        > 2. What should the investigators get in return? Should the funding be
for intellectual contribution in designing experiments and analyzing data or
could it include the use of equipment and/or consumables?
        >
        > Any experience or advice will be greatly appreciated.
        >
        > Thanks,
        > Judy Drazba
        > Cleveland Clinic Lerner Research Institute
        >
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