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Shamu, Caroline <email obscured>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [core administrators network forum] Collaboration vs Service in
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Andy,
Thanks for the link—that’s a great document!
I agree with you: Paid service does not mean no intellectual contribution. I
mention the same point when asked about this, that students, postdocs, etc. are
also paid salaries for their work.
For HMS cores whose services can result in significant intellectual
contributions to research projects, we suggest that the core director/senior
core staff make it clear, as appropriate in early consultation meetings with
core users and throughout a project as needed, that relevant work by core staff
might deserve recognition at the level of authorship.
Caroline
Caroline Shamu, Ph.D. | Associate Dean for Research Cores and Technology |
Faculty Director ICCB-Longwood Screening Facility |Assistant Professor |
Department of Radiology (MGH) & Department of Biological Chemistry and
Molecular Pharmacology
Harvard Medical School Seeley G. Mudd Building Room 604 | 250 Longwood Ave. |
Boston, MA 02115-5731
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On Sep 15, 2021, at 3:17 PM, Andrew Wayne Ott
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Hi Julie,
Northwestern does post publication guidelines at:
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. At the end of the day, issues are escalated to the Research Deans. This is
exceedingly rare. However, by posting, core staff understand when they are
shifting from a straight fee for service mode to generating intellectual input
for the publication and empowered to advocate for themselves.
The question of paid service is a poor path to travel down. The PI, post-doc,
graduate student, and other staff in the lab all get paid and are recognized
through acknowledgements and authorships. Core staff are no different. The bar
should be intellectual contribution, not compensation.
Andy
Director of Core Facilities Administration
Office for Research
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ph: 847-491-3032
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White, Amanda (Nicole)
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 12:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [core administrators network forum] Collaboration vs Service in
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Julie,
I'll stick my neck out.
I think it is dependent on the facility. I've noticed the facilities that are
great at fostering those relationships get recognition and acknowledgment.
This is just a hypothesis yet to be proven. I don't think that the
administration can take on this to solve with Investigators. Still, instead, an
administrator can work with facilities to forge the importance of those
relationships with the investigators. The many hands make a light work
approach. WE provide the tools online, in invoices, etc., for people to cut
and paste, but I believe relational understanding is essential between the
facility and the researcher.
Investigators must feel the relationship is relational (trusted), not
transactional (short term - get the job done).
Nicole
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I would like to take issue with the assumption in this posting that the
director is the person doing the collaborating. Many times, other core staff
are the collaborators.
Sadly, we often aren’t treated as collaborators properly when it comes to
authorship or acknowledgement, but this is a different discussion. Or maybe it
isn't , as clients often have the attitude that they are paying for services
regardless of our real roles as collaborators.
As a member of the staff, and back in the days when I was a director at another
institution, I have been directed to bill for my time. Period. But I cannot
say I've seen a written policy on this at my current institution.
Cheers-
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Colleagues –
Do any of you have an organizational position statement for “collaboration vs
services” for your core facilities? I often have informal conversations about
this with core directors. As cores in academic institutions play very strong
roles in experimental design and data analysis as well as the data generation,
advising where to draw the line on collaborations is difficult. How much of
that effort is part of the “paid service” and how much is collaboration via
intellectual contribution. My conversations often result in a discussion about
where the funding is coming from to pay for the director’s effort in the
collaboration – and it just doesn’t feel good to resolve such conversations
with bureaucratic financial rationale. I’d appreciate any insights any of you
have to offer.
All the best,
Julie
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