At some point our Genome Center is going to bring on a new LIMS. Weβd like to
work with a vendor on this. Anyone been through this recently or heard any
recommendations/stories?
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What mass spec are you using ?
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Kym,
Could try a filter on your vacuum release line. A filter pipet tip might
work to clean up your lab air.
Jim Farmar
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:39 PM Kym Faull <email obscured>> wrote:
> We are attempting low level amino acid quantitation by LC/MS/MS-MRM. Our
> work is plagued by an unacceptably high background for certain amino acids
> (G, E, etc). We are looking for advice as to the most likely sources of
> contamination of amino acids. Samples in micro centrifuge tubes (including
> blanks) are dried in a speed vac, redissolved in an aqueous buffer to
> which is added a reagent. Following reaction the samples are transferred
> to HPLC injector vials and injected in to the LC/MS. All samples including
> the blanks have a variable and at times big signals for some amino acids.
> We seek advice as to the likley source(s) of contamination. Any and all
> advice will be appreciated
>
> Kym
>
> Kym Francis Faull, Ph.D.
> Director, Pasarow Mass Spectrometry Laboratory
> Jane and Terry Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA
> Professor Emeritus, Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences
> David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
> Telephone: (310) 206 7881 (office)
> Telephone: (310) 206 7886 (laboratory)
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Kym,
Could try a filter on your vacuum release line. A filter pipet tip might
work to clean up your lab air.
Jim Farmar
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:39 PM Kym Faull <email obscured>> wrote:
> We are attempting low level amino acid quantitation by LC/MS/MS-MRM. Our
> work is plagued by an unacceptably high background for certain amino acids
> (G, E, etc). We are looking for advice as to the most likely sources of
> contamination of amino acids. Samples in micro centrifuge tubes (including
> blanks) are dried in a speed vac, redissolved in an aqueous buffer to
> which is added a reagent. Following reaction the samples are transferred
> to HPLC injector vials and injected in to the LC/MS. All samples including
> the blanks have a variable and at times big signals for some amino acids.
> We seek advice as to the likley source(s) of contamination. Any and all
> advice will be appreciated
>
> Kym
>
> Kym Francis Faull, Ph.D.
> Director, Pasarow Mass Spectrometry Laboratory
> Jane and Terry Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA
> Professor Emeritus, Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences
> David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
> Telephone: (310) 206 7881 (office)
> Telephone: (310) 206 7886 (laboratory)
> Facsimile: (310) 206 2161
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You may find information in the following reference to be enlightening.
[cid:4fae025c-987c-4255-a1d4-4d726537f488]
Beverly DaGue
Has anybody updated mMass (mMass.org<http://mMass.org>) so the new Mac OS
Catalina can run it?
MMV
Martha M. Vestling, PhD
Chemistry Department
University of Wisconsin-Madison
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Hi Kym,
Check a water and reagent blank. I have found measurable levels of G and E in
distilled water stored in carboys.
All the best,
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Hi Kym,
When we did PicoTag amino acid analysis, we used Corning 5 x 50 mm Pyrex
culture tubes cat. number 9820. These glass tubes were pyrolized at ~~ 300
deg. C ( maybe higher, can't find the temp we used) to carbonize organics.
Samples were dried in these tubes and processed for AAA. By doing the
pyrolysis we at least knew any source of contamination was not coming from
those tubes.
Good luck,
Brian
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From: ABRF Discussion Forum <email obscured>> on behalf of Kym Faull
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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 5:39 PM
To: <email obscured> <email obscured>>
Cc: Alex Yoon <email obscured>>
Subject: [ABRF Discussion Forum] Low level amino acid analyses
We are attempting low level amino acid quantitation by LC/MS/MS-MRM. Our
work is plagued by an unacceptably high background for certain amino acids (G,
E, etc). We are looking for advice as to the most likely sources of
contamination of amino acids. Samples in micro centrifuge tubes (including
blanks) are dried in a speed vac, redissolved in an aqueous buffer to which is
added a reagent. Following reaction the samples are transferred to HPLC
injector vials and injected in to the LC/MS. All samples including the blanks
have a variable and at times big signals for some amino acids. We seek advice
as to the likley source(s) of contamination. Any and all advice will be
appreciated
Kym
Kym Francis Faull, Ph.D.
Director, Pasarow Mass Spectrometry Laboratory
Jane and Terry Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA
Professor Emeritus, Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences
David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Telephone: (310) 206 7881 (office)
Telephone: (310) 206 7886 (laboratory)
Facsimile: (310) 206 2161
Electronic mail: <email obscured> <email obscured>>
Hi Kym,
When we did PicoTag amino acid analysis, we used Corning 5 x 50 mm Pyrex
culture tubes cat. number 9820. These glass tubes were pyrolized at ~~ 300
deg. C ( maybe higher, can't find the temp we used) to carbonize organics.
Samples were dried in these tubes and processed for AAA. By doing the
pyrolysis we at least knew any source of contamination was not coming from
those tubes.
Good luck,
Rest of post
Brian
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<email obscured>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 5:39 PM
To: <email obscured> <email obscured>>
Cc: Alex Yoon <email obscured>>
Subject: [ABRF Discussion Forum] Low level amino acid analyses
We are attempting low level amino acid quantitation by LC/MS/MS-MRM. Our work
is plagued by an unacceptably high background for certain amino acids (G, E,
etc). We are looking for advice as to the most likely sources of contamination
of amino acids. Samples in micro centrifuge tubes (including blanks) are
dried in a speed vac, redissolved in an aqueous buffer to which is added a
reagent. Following reaction the samples are transferred to HPLC injector vials
and injected in to the LC/MS. All samples including the blanks have a variable
and at times big signals for some amino acids. We seek advice as to the likley
source(s) of contamination. Any and all advice will be appreciated
Kym
Kym Francis Faull, Ph.D.
Director, Pasarow Mass Spectrometry Laboratory
Jane and Terry Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA
Professor Emeritus, Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences
David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Telephone: (310) 206 7881 (office)
Telephone: (310) 206 7886 (laboratory)
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We are attempting low level amino acid quantitation by LC/MS/MS-MRM. Our work
is plagued by an unacceptably high background for certain amino acids (G, E,
etc). We are looking for advice as to the most likely sources of contamination
of amino acids. Samples in micro centrifuge tubes (including blanks) are
dried in a speed vac, redissolved in an aqueous buffer to which is added a
reagent. Following reaction the samples are transferred to HPLC injector vials
and injected in to the LC/MS. All samples including the blanks have a variable
and at times big signals for some amino acids. We seek advice as to the likley
source(s) of contamination. Any and all advice will be appreciated
Kym
Kym Francis Faull, Ph.D.
Director, Pasarow Mass Spectrometry Laboratory
Jane and Terry Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA
Professor Emeritus, Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences
David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Telephone: (310) 206 7881 (office)
Telephone: (310) 206 7886 (laboratory)
Facsimile: (310) 206 2161
Electronic mail: <email obscured> <email obscured>>
Personally I never had issues with A columns so I keep using them (Do I
need to sign a waiver :)) and luckily I always have 2-3 spares. I was told
itβs going to take 6-8 weeks. Meanwhile Thermo rep said they can sell me
the easy nano emitter at lowest possible price so that I can use other
columns.
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>
> How is everyone dealing with Thermo's recall of the Easy LC columns (safety
> issue)? Alternatives?
>
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>
> Christine
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Hi Andy,
That is truly wonderful! Thanks a bunch for your invaluable input and help.
Much appreciated.
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Sincerely,
Brian
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Follow-up: Barry Boyes is now preparing a white paper several pages long on
the subject, complete with links to helpful posters and papers on the subject.
I'll post it on this forum once it's ready.
Andy Alpert
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Hi, Brian,
Judging from your response and Kym Faull's (in a separate e-mail, he's just
declared that he intends to try DFA), it might be appropriate to have a
mini-symposium on the uses of DFA. Considering how pervasive the use of TFA is
in chromatography and MS, that wouldn't be out of line on this forum. At this
point, perhaps it would be appropriate to invoke Barry Boyes himself. I'm
copying this to him and will see if I can get him online.
Andy Alper
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [ABRF Discussion Forum] DFA as an ion pair agent for LC/MS
Hi Andy,
Thanks for the pointers to the Boyes work. WRT posters at ASMS, the sheer
volume overwhelms me (needle and haystack come to mind, although the haystack
doesn't come with a search function), not to mention that travel expenses limit
my attendance at most meetings outside the Washington/Baltimore region.
I recall that it was in 1984 when I performed my first HPLC chromatographic
separation. In all the years since until today I have regrettably never heard
of DFA. Makes me shudder at what else I've been missing.
Regards,
Brian
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the subject, complete with links to helpful posters and papers on the subject.
I'll post it on this forum once it's ready.
Andy Alpert
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 1:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [ABRF Discussion Forum] DFA as an ion pair agent for LC/MS
Hi, Brian,
Judging from your response and Kym Faull's (in a separate e-mail, he's just
declared that he intends to try DFA), it might be appropriate to have a
mini-symposium on the uses of DFA. Considering how pervasive the use of TFA is
in chromatography and MS, that wouldn't be out of line on this forum. At this
point, perhaps it would be appropriate to invoke Barry Boyes himself. I'm
copying this to him and will see if I can get him online.
Andy Alper
-----Original Message-----
From: ABRF Discussion Forum <email obscured>> On Behalf Of Brian Hampton
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 1:14 PM
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [ABRF Discussion Forum] DFA as an ion pair agent for LC/MS
Hi Andy,
Thanks for the pointers to the Boyes work. WRT posters at ASMS, the sheer
volume overwhelms me (needle and haystack come to mind, although the haystack
doesn't come with a search function), not to mention that travel expenses limit
my attendance at most meetings outside the Washington/Baltimore region.
I recall that it was in 1984 when I performed my first HPLC chromatographic
separation. In all the years since until today I have regrettably never heard
of DFA. Makes me shudder at what else I've been missing.
Regards,
Brian
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Hi, Brian,
Judging from your response and Kym Faull's (in a separate e-mail, he's just
declared that he intends to try DFA), it might be appropriate to have a
mini-symposium on the uses of DFA. Considering how pervasive the use of TFA is
in chromatography and MS, that wouldn't be out of line on this forum. At this
point, perhaps it would be appropriate to invoke Barry Boyes himself. I'm
copying this to him and will see if I can get him online.
Andy Alper
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From: ABRF Discussion Forum <email obscured>> On Behalf Of Brian Hampton
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 1:14 PM
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [ABRF Discussion Forum] DFA as an ion pair agent for LC/MS
Hi Andy,
Thanks for the pointers to the Boyes work. WRT posters at ASMS, the sheer
volume overwhelms me (needle and haystack come to mind, although the haystack
doesn't come with a search function), not to mention that travel expenses limit
my attendance at most meetings outside the Washington/Baltimore region.
I recall that it was in 1984 when I performed my first HPLC chromatographic
separation. In all the years since until today I have regrettably never heard
of DFA. Makes me shudder at what else I've been missing.
Regards,
Brian
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Hi Andy,
Thanks for the pointers to the Boyes work. WRT posters at ASMS, the sheer
volume overwhelms me (needle and haystack come to mind, although the haystack
doesn't come with a search function), not to mention that travel expenses limit
my attendance at most meetings outside the Washington/Baltimore region.
I recall that it was in 1984 when I performed my first HPLC chromatographic
separation. In all the years since until today I have regrettably never heard
of DFA. Makes me shudder at what else I've been missing.
Hi, Kym,
Well, if cognoscenti such as Brian Hampton donβt pick up on advances in method
from posters at ASMS and Barry Boyesβ papers in Journal of Chromatography A,
then it might be too much to hope that everyone else in the proteomics and mass
spec fields would have noticed them too. Iβll say this for Waters: While they
may not introduce new methods like this, they have the network to get them
adopted widely. It pays to advertise, in science as in all else.
All the best,
Andy Alpert
PolyLC Inc.
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [ABRF Discussion Forum] DFA as an ion pair agent for LC/MS
Andy: If all this isn true why hasnβt DFA caught on and be used more widely?
Kym
Kym Francis Faull, Ph.D.
Director, Pasarow Mass Spectrometry Laboratory
Jane and Terry Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA
Professor Emeritus, Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences
David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Telephone: (310) 206 7881 (office)
Telephone: (310) 206 7886 (laboratory)
Facsimile: (310) 206 2161
Electronic mail: <email obscured> <email obscured>>
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<email obscured> <email obscured>> > wrote:
Barry Boyes and his colleagues at Advanced Materials Technology were writing
about the virtues of DFA a couple of years before Waters became interested in
it. Perform a search on Google Scholar using "difluoroacetic" as a search term
and with "BE Boyes" as an author, from 2015 to the present. They've presented
several posters at ASMS conferences that describe the properties of DFA in
chromatography and MS, in great detail. Briefly, DFA is intermediate between
TFA and formic acid in its strength as an acid and the degree to which it
suppresses ionization in MS. It's transparent at low wavelengths. It's also
not unduly toxic (unlike fluoroacetic acid, which is toxic enough for use as a
chemical warfare agent).
Andy Alpert
PolyLC Inc.
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 11:31 AM
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Subject: [ABRF Discussion Forum] DFA as an ion pair agent for LC/MS
Hello all,
In a roundabout way I came across difluoroacetic acid (DFA) for improving
chromatographic separations - as compared to formic acid and trifluoroacetic
acid (TFA). After some digging I came across a poster from Waters directly
comparing peptide separations between FA, DFA and TFA. It looks like DFA
doesn't have the ion suppression effect of TFA, and like TFA, DFA improves peak
separation and peak capacity (sharper peaks) compared to FA. See:
https://www.waters.com/webassets/cms/library/docs/2019hplc_nguyen_dfapeptides.pdf
I'm wondering whether anyone else has tried DFA and also if it does work as
advertised I'm surprised it hasn't replaced the use of FA by now. I've never
seen DFA mentioned in proteomics papers.
Regards,
Brian
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Kym
Kym Francis Faull, Ph.D.
Director, Pasarow Mass Spectrometry Laboratory
Jane and Terry Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA
Professor Emeritus, Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences
David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Telephone: (310) 206 7881 (office)
Telephone: (310) 206 7886 (laboratory)
Facsimile: (310) 206 2161
Electronic mail: <email obscured> <email obscured>>
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>
> Barry Boyes and his colleagues at Advanced Materials Technology were writing
about the virtues of DFA a couple of years before Waters became interested in
it. Perform a search on Google Scholar using "difluoroacetic" as a search term
and with "BE Boyes" as an author, from 2015 to the present. They've presented
several posters at ASMS conferences that describe the properties of DFA in
chromatography and MS, in great detail. Briefly, DFA is intermediate between
TFA and formic acid in its strength as an acid and the degree to which it
suppresses ionization in MS. It's transparent at low wavelengths. It's also
not unduly toxic (unlike fluoroacetic acid, which is toxic enough for use as a
chemical warfare agent).
>
> Andy Alpert
> PolyLC Inc.
>
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> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 11:31 AM
> To: <email obscured>
> Subject: [ABRF Discussion Forum] DFA as an ion pair agent for LC/MS
>
> Hello all,
>
> In a roundabout way I came across difluoroacetic acid (DFA) for improving
chromatographic separations - as compared to formic acid and trifluoroacetic
acid (TFA). After some digging I came across a poster from Waters directly
comparing peptide separations between FA, DFA and TFA. It looks like DFA
doesn't have the ion suppression effect of TFA, and like TFA, DFA improves peak
separation and peak capacity (sharper peaks) compared to FA. See:
https://www.waters.com/webassets/cms/library/docs/2019hplc_nguyen_dfapeptides.pdf
>
> I'm wondering whether anyone else has tried DFA and also if it does work as
advertised I'm surprised it hasn't replaced the use of FA by now. I've never
seen DFA mentioned in proteomics papers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
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Hello all,
Do any of you still perform Amino acid analysis using post-column
derivatization with Ninhydrin? What about Edman degradation?
The Protein Structure Core Facility at UNMC will be closing at the end of this
fiscal year, after 30 years of operation, and I am looking for good places to
recommend to my customers.
It has been a fantastic run. For me the best part was the incredible people I
met in the ABRF, followed in close second by the customers who brought me their
interesting problems to solve. I will miss all of you and all of them. I am
not retiring yet. Still teaching and running a research lab, but I will miss
my involvement with core facilities and the wonderful people who run them.
If you are coming through Nebraska, let me know!
All the best,
-laurey
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Barry Boyes and his colleagues at Advanced Materials Technology were writing
about the virtues of DFA a couple of years before Waters became interested in
it. Perform a search on Google Scholar using "difluoroacetic" as a search term
and with "BE Boyes" as an author, from 2015 to the present. They've presented
several posters at ASMS conferences that describe the properties of DFA in
chromatography and MS, in great detail. Briefly, DFA is intermediate between
TFA and formic acid in its strength as an acid and the degree to which it
suppresses ionization in MS. It's transparent at low wavelengths. It's also
not unduly toxic (unlike fluoroacetic acid, which is toxic enough for use as a
chemical warfare agent).
Andy Alpert
PolyLC Inc.
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Subject: [ABRF Discussion Forum] DFA as an ion pair agent for LC/MS
Hello all,
In a roundabout way I came across difluoroacetic acid (DFA) for improving
chromatographic separations - as compared to formic acid and trifluoroacetic
acid (TFA). After some digging I came across a poster from Waters directly
comparing peptide separations between FA, DFA and TFA. It looks like DFA
doesn't have the ion suppression effect of TFA, and like TFA, DFA improves peak
separation and peak capacity (sharper peaks) compared to FA. See:
https://www.waters.com/webassets/cms/library/docs/2019hplc_nguyen_dfapeptides.pdf
I'm wondering whether anyone else has tried DFA and also if it does work as
advertised I'm surprised it hasn't replaced the use of FA by now. I've never
seen DFA mentioned in proteomics papers.
Regards,
Brian
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Hello Chris,
Some info here. See: https://dx.doi.org/10.1021/acs.jproteome.8b00831
Baud et al., βAn Optimized Method for the Proteomic Analysis of Low Volumes of
Cell Culture Media and the Secretome: The Application and the Demonstration of
Altered Protein Expression in iPSC-Derived Neuronal Cell Lines from Parkinsonβs
Disease Patients.β
For our own purposes, we simply rinse cells 3x with cold PBS and move on with a
proteomics workflow. The above paper has some interesting observations that
indicate culture medium proteins continue to be released from the cells over
time.
Hello all,
In a roundabout way I came across difluoroacetic acid (DFA) for improving
chromatographic separations - as compared to formic acid and trifluoroacetic
acid (TFA). After some digging I came across a poster from Waters directly
comparing peptide separations between FA, DFA and TFA. It looks like DFA
doesn't have the ion suppression effect of TFA, and like TFA, DFA improves peak
separation and peak capacity (sharper peaks) compared to FA. See:
https://www.waters.com/webassets/cms/library/docs/2019hplc_nguyen_dfapeptides.pdf
I'm wondering whether anyone else has tried DFA and also if it does work as
advertised I'm surprised it hasn't replaced the use of FA by now. I've never
seen DFA mentioned in proteomics papers.
I was wondering what procedure you use for extracting proteins from cells in
culture for proteomics analyses.
Specifically, I am curious how one avoids proteins from the cell culture media
that might be sticking to the cells and interfere with mass spectrometry
analysis.
After removing cell culture media how do you wash cells to remove media
proteins that are sticking to the cells/binding to cell surface proteins and
lipids?
Thanks much!